Itll be interesting to see if the new buds work consistently with the fenix 6. my weekly podcast - with GPLAMA, which is packed with both gadget and non-gadget goodness! Garmin hasnt used their own thing, they just havent done USB-C. At the end of the day, Im an athlete just like you looking for the most detail possible on a new purchase so my review is written from the standpoint of how I used the device. I cover all the units to buy (and avoid) for indoor training. But its about 56 months that I cant use them anymore with the Garmin FR945. USB is an open standard, everyone can use it. Heres a bunch of random trip reports and daily trip-logs that Ive put together and posted. Forget Jaybird we cant do anything about it anyway Garmin the only one and they dont. Ive tried the resets, changed to the SBC codec, cant seem to fix it but really want these to work out. You probably stumbled upon here looking for a review of a sports gadget. Sigh. I dont use the Vista any more, because for the normal use I use the Sennheiser, for running I dont use the Sennheiser but I dont wear the Vista any more because Im sick and tired about the continuous disconnections. Id be anxious that these new buds might exhibit the same behaviour with the 945, although given the new vistas will doubtless use a new Bluetooth platform (but possibly reuse other code) its not certain the incompatibility will persist. Thus, if you had the phone and app with you, itll record the location of the lost bud at the moment it lost it, and then even allow you to launch a maps app to see the location. Unfortunately I cant agree with this.
Jaybird Vista Earbuds Hands-On: An AirPods/PowerBeats Pro Competitor for Sports? If thats the case (but certainly not saying my choices arent good for women), and you just want to see a different gear junkies picks, check out The Girls Gear Guide too. Yup, for the pricing theyre at now, the originals are a solid option.
Pretty standard stuff. Plus, the Tarah Pro is down to $129. The battery cut from 14>6 hours is pretty big but you can quick charge one bud while still wearing the other to keep going for as long as the Tarah Pro. Which, is as good a time as any to discuss them. For clarity, its incredibly rare that I call-out features as being useless in the opener of my post. Not sure if this is the relevant place to put the following comment (sorry if it isnt) but I want to give a headsup for potential buyers of these earphones in the benelux area (Im located in Belgium). But dont worry, Ill dive into the details down below. I didnt try a Fenix 6X (theres some comments here that others are having issues with the Fenix 6 on the Vista 1 as well). Are you willing to review or test beta products?
I dont want a hurricane of wind noise in my head when Im running on a windless day. In your opinion, what are the best cycling / running wireless headphones out there? I tried all three settings on three back to back to back calls, and there was no difference between the three options pictured above (ANC/SurroundSense/Off), nor any difference with the wind reduction settings. I had/have the original Jaybird X and it still wont completely die though battery life is much less than new. You can use it without ever touching the Jaybird app (I did so for a few days initially), but if you want to change sound profiles and do other customization, youll need that.
Currently have the Vista 1s and love them they just have connectivity issues with my Forerunner 945 while running but nothing on my phone when indoor cycling or gyming. This drop to silence with some jaybird headphones is an ongoing issue under discussion on the Garmin forums and seemingly under (hopefully active!) Though, Ive gotta believe thatd be something for the CIQ Summit this fall if so. Have tried the Vista 1 & Jabras. The buds are updated to the new firmware. And the Google Pixel Buds are also quite good.
FR945 with actual firmware 7.30. Thatd be amazeballs here. That said, Im honestly not sure theres much value there from a sports watch. I have built an extensive list of my most frequently asked questions. 2 Questions:
I have Powerbeats Pro and every criticism is spot on, especially the charging issues. Ive since started treating workout headphone purchases as consumables and have had excellent experience purchasing cheaper models on Amazon in the $20-30 price range, with a Boltune model giving me good sound quality, no dropouts and all-day battery life- they usually come with at least a year warranty and if the battery degrades after a year, or I lose them its not a big deal, whereas buying a new $200 headphone after a year is painful. I too have tendency to kill things early with sweat. First up, weve got the case.
With the Sony almost nothing is heard in a test I did. I have to move my phone to be in the pocket closest to the earbud and the screen must face out. However, the fake leather ear cups are too nice to ride on the trainer. Seems to work for a while and then sometimes drops after 2-3 songs while running. In addition to those two new modes, you have what is the previous mode, which is simply Off. Looking for the equipment I use day-to-day? The most common question I receive outside of the whats the best GPS watch for me variant, are photography-esq based. With even the slightest breeze, or anything above walking speed, the wind noise was heavily amplified.
Heres my most recent GPS watch guide here, and cycling GPS computers here. Youd be trading sync time for a quality improvement that no one would notice eh? Perhaps occasionally a bit overambitious, but hey, nobody is sneaking up on you with this enabled. Neither work for me. Is there a good alternative that has that feature working well? What if they have radar on their bike and a mirror? Amazing battery life (14+ hours) but eventually the left earbud got quiet and soon after the battery would only last a few hours. Required fields are marked.If you would like a profile picture, simply register at Gravatar, which works here on DCR and across the web. I always ride with 1 of them in and I could still easily understand my podcasts! Personnally, even If Im very interested by the Jaybird Vista 2 (I have the Jaybird Vista 1) and even if I consider that the Jaybird Vista are fantastic products, I shouldnt recommend them for users of Garmin Fenix 6/. link to forums.garmin.com. Im assuming these are even better. Check out Can use earbuds independently as before. These days, most headphone companies that focus on sports, and most watch companies that do music, have figured out how to work together happily. I assume the Aeropex resolves the wind issues too? I try as best as possible test with as much as possible, but in many cases depending on what is going on, thats often just whats at-hand and already in the hopper (FR945 LTE in this case). The Garmin properly grabs it each time, but the phone requires manual takeover. I am curious about durability. Workaround is manual Bluetooth stack downgrade to 5.04 but lord knows what untested world of regression risk you enter by doing this! I think I will also get the Vista 2 for two reasons: Theyve got a slew of different certifications. One last thing to mention is that you can customize what the buttons do, as well as what taps do. I have the original vistas and a big complaint is that anytime I use the earphones to make calls, it picks up a lot of wind noise and the person at the other end cant hear me. Increased case to IP54 water resistance (so splash/rain/etc) For the waterproofing and dust side, theyve gone with IP68, making it dust resistant as well as water resistant for 1 hour at 3 meters (better than IPX7, which is 30 minutes at 1 meter). If it works, pleas let us know. Personally Im pretty uncomfortable with people wearing any kind of headphones while cycling but the Jabras have a similar passthrough audio system that works awesome while I runit doesnt sound like Im in a hurricane. I think thats a pretty cool feature. WTH is almost every company able to buy and use USB-C, except Garmin? In case you didnt notice, the L and R on the headphones themselves also say L and R in braille, respectively. The reviews generally take a lot of hours to put together, so its a fair bit of work (and labor of love). A real downer is the fact that little has been improved regarding wind noise reduction. Same goes for lounging around the pool.
@DCR: Iam trying to solve that for years, do you have any idea / advise / review ? Ill also throw the Jabra Elite Active 75t into this one. Smart Trainers Buyers Guide: Looking at a smart trainer this winter? Some reviews are over 60 pages long when printed out, with hundreds of photos! But at the same time, passing even the bulk of these types of certifications requirements means enough engineering to not kill the device through any given test. Added WindDefense fabric over mics: This increases call mic clarity in windy conditions Wanna create comparison chart graphs just like I do for GPS, heart rate, power meters and more? I much prefer the wireless models with a cable between the two ear-buds because But, I noticed no mention about Jaybird customer service in the review, which is unfortunately an important omission with Jaybird headphones. In the UK/EU/Australia/New Zealand? @DCRainmaker May i ask how long on average your runs were? Any suggestions? Redesigned ear tips a bit from previous, includes four sets in box Plus there are smart trainers here, all in these guides cover almost every category of sports gadgets out there. Your email address will not be published. You can pair it to multiple devices. I had to turn them all off. This is in addition to the Find my Buds option. No hurricane in my head and reasonably good audio quality, as well as good fit. Where do these rank? What about call quality? Most of the time.
Same for 2 years now drop Jaybird life is to short. And you can turn off those voices entirely, and simply use tones instead. Im still searching for buds that will allow me to hear and speak over Discord for Zwift team events and also work for audio for workouts. If they can adjust, via firmware updates, the algorithm for wind reduction (I tried all the settings/options), then Im totally game here. This is with my Pixel 5. A past DCR Reader in a comment somewhere outlined the very specific thing (from an engineering standpoint) that companies do to screw this up, and mostly sounds like a first timer type problem. Besides the watch problems, my buds have been amazing when it comes to connection stability. Theyve got both the certification specs to back it, but also plenty of folks have years of experience with past products living longer than the average bear. However, the second I went above walking speed, such as just starting to pedal the bike, the receiving end couldnt hear my voice anymore over the tornado of wind noise. Additionally, you can turn Auto-Pause off or on in the menus, as well as change the language of the voice in your head. 3) less issues with dropouts/reception of one bud From your post could this be a problem with the watch or the earbuds? Then, I come here and write about my adventures. I also just put together my complete Gear I Use equipment list, from swim to bike to run and everything in between (plus a few extra things). And as always, feel free to post comments or questions in the comments section below, Ill be happy to try and answer them as quickly as possible. Nobody rang my door, it wasnt put in my mailbox and it was nowhere to be found. 2. Note that the price is $199USD, or essentially in the same ballpark as what we see the Apple PowerBeats Pro priced at these days, or what we often see Apples AirPods Pro priced at too. The Jaybird Vista 2s have a number of pretty solid upgrades that make them worthwhile for consideration if youre looking for sport-focused buds, from a company known for making sport buds that arent easily killed. I have tried Jaybird vista, Jabra 75xt and Aftershockz, they all suck (you can hear people but they dont hear you because of the wind condition). They have basically all of the same features and only slightly lesser IPX rating at IPX57. Added in-ear detection: Itll auto-pause music Calls are really disappointing, as mic picks all the sounds, including wind. Basically anything above walking speed, she couldnt hear me anymore. Completed MIL-STD-810G testing What I think these do better than ANY (and Ive tried quite a few) is the wear comfort, I dont have any that fit this well and stay in even with running/mtb/ I hate the true in-ear feel of some of them and the easy-falling-out of others! For us users who only use Vista with running and always only with the watch Fenix 6x Pro solar so we dont need to switch to the phone. As an Amazon Associate I earn from qualifying purchases. Speaking of the Jaybird Vista 2 without mentioning the dropouts that a lot of users of Garmin Fenix 6/ watches experience since August 2020 without any solution from Garmin seems to be a kind of tacit recommendation, isnt it? Can you elaborate on dealing with multiple devices? Interested in your test of of phone call quality. These days, most headphone companies that focus on sports, and most watch companies that do music, have figured out how to work together happily. I have changed my Jaybird Vista with Bose after 3 several years with Jaybird. Turned out Garmin had updated the watches bluetooth firmware. So to spoil some of this review, I found that the new SurroundSense & enhanced Active Noise Cancellation (ANC) features were essentially useless in both cycling and running. The problem was introduced by Garmin with a firmware update and never went away.
Both earbuds have mics in them, as each side can be used independently in a singular mode, as some people prefer only using one bud at a time for awareness reasons. View cart for details. I repeat, Garmin forums are full of people that are very disappointed. It seems most of the watch apps already use low end but rates for the music stored to reduce sync time. In any case, for my workouts, I used both my phone (cycling) and Garmin FR945 (LTE) for testing.
Case battery claim is 24 hours in total (from 16 hours on Vista 1) Why havent you yet released a review for XYZ product you mentioned months ago? I can leave my phone on one side of a basketball court, and run around the perimeter of the whole court without dropouts, @DCRainmaker May i ask how long on average your runs were?. But the challenge I have is that the two key new features (SurroundSense and Active Noise Cancelation) simply dont work for cycling, or even running. Added Find my Case: The case actually has GPS in it, but that only works when in range of Bluetooth So the Garmin and Jaybird Bluetooth connectivity issues have been worked out with the Vista 2? And of course, it makes you awesome. Because if youre looking at using these buds for anything above walking speed, with either ANC or SurroundSense, then audio quality wont matter, because all youll hear is wind. I am still searching for Bluetooth earbuds, which I can use both for sports and for phones calls e.g. Yeah, I cant possibly re-test every single Garmin watch released with each successive firmware. The other two modes chop off about 2 hours of battery life (from 8 hours to 6 hours) when enabled, whereas turning it off means no slice in battery life. Maybe it was useful to update the Garmin watch via Garmin Express connected to a computer and not with wifi. To say the least this is some very poor customer service. However, if you predefine the sound management options to be one of your earbud tap options, then you can access that mid-workout allowing you to iterate through the three main sound management modes. I recommend doing the least EQ change that sounds OK. Im pretty happy with the Smooth by Loud & Wireless EQ settings (I have the Vista 1). In theory, these new features would make it more appealing to athletes, including their sponsored cycling teams like L39ION, who they added today (and is also sponsored by Zwift for indoor training). Thanks for the update on wind calls. I contacted UPS who said I have to contact the seller of the product, which is ultimately logitech.
As shown in the review, I used the Vista 2 without issue with a Garmin FR945 LTE. The whole saga is documented here link to forums.garmin.com. Would also appreciate an all day battery. 945 platform (so fenix 6 too I assume) Bluetooth stack 6.0 or newer has this issue. I purchased the Tarah Pros about a year ago and way happy. Recent Garmin watches since the Fenix 6 include the Garmin Venu, Venu 2, Venu SQ, Vivoactive 4, FR945 LTE, and Forerunner 745. So in efforts to combat the amount of emails I need to sort through on a daily basis, Ive complied this My Photography Gear post for your curious minds! Hi! DesFit has noted the same in his review as well. Keep it up!!! I bought my Jaybird Vista during black friday sales last year (it was cheaper than Tarah Pro). Nah Garmin just suck. My best option was to use a Jaybird Tarah and drop the mic in my t-shirt when picking a call . Jaybird and Garmin support are not helpful at all with this. SurroundSense: This is sound pass-through, in effect, the opposite of ANC. Love your site awesome reviews here . And by and large, when Im toughing it through an interval workout or riding a bike, having astounding audio quality isnt really high on my list. Mediocre to use in windy conditions (too much noise), therefore also not good to use while cycling. The price is too for this Runner.- I will stick with my Jaybird Run. I have Fenix 6x Pro solar.
Thought it might be my hardware. Again, this is the mode that cancels out all outside noise. As you probably noticed by looking below, I also take time to answer all the questions posted in the comments and theres quite a bit of detail in there as well.
I guess Im using the 14 day return policy.
So, lets start with SurroundSense. You can adjust the position of your head (totally sideways), and in some cases that gets rid of it. Any word on concurrent pairing (switch from music on computer to phone call without issues). For some mysterious reason its about one month that my Jbird Vista model 1 return to function as before without disconnection.
Though, plenty of companies have botched it too. Its a nice break from the day to day sports-tech talk, and I hope you get something out of it! Have you compared the Vista/Vista 2 against the Tarah Pro? With Garmin Express they told me to update the map. Hey Ray, how would you rate the call quality (for both mics and audio)? link to forums.garmin.com I have continuous dropouts. As is usually the case, Ive had ZERO dropouts on any of my workouts with the Garmin FR945 LTE. Would the receiver of the call hear windy noises as well? Id also consider the the Tarah Pro, but I think the wired headphone ship has sailed. Meanwhile, also in the app is the ability to create your own EQ presets. So if you lost these on a trail, youre mostly outta luck, though it will tell you the last known location of the bud. Since then no disconnection any more. It doesnt cost you anything extra, but your purchases help support this website a lot. As noted above, I have noticed exactly the same issue. It looks the same in my case. In fact, I actually found that they seemed to fit better a few mins later. Well, while at rest or walking speed, it was perfectly fine. After trying a couple of numbers for customer support on the logitech website that were simply not working I finally found someone from the customer services in Switzerland who told me to contact UPS and file a claim. It seams manufacture is in a rush to bring new products out yearly instead of developing a a quality product to last multliple years.. iirc apple started a hd streaming service last month? I can understand if they need to have something running, but then there must be an option to habe it always running in the background. It is sometimes frustrating not being able to find a resource. DC Rainmaker 2021 swim, bike, run, and general gear list. Jaybird says they arent aligning to any military here, but simply noting that their product exceeds ruggedness standards that are well defined in this spec. How do you find the fit after working up a sweat? But the problem here is essentially that the amount of wind hitting the mic and the way it hits the mic varies, and as such, their algorithm doesnt seem to be able to handle that super well. Its as simple as that. Unfortunately, this just wont work for people trying to hear you while youre on the move.
Im not sure to conclude on other watch like FR945 i think it is different than the Fenix 6x Pro serie, There a long thread on the Garmin Forum about the Fenix 6 and Jaybird headsets, It does include a request from a Garmin staff member to report your issues so they can suitable prioritize.
Now, unfortunately, theres no Apple Find My integration here. If youre talking wearables, then nobody with any smarts uses USB-C or Micro-USB on the watch itself. So its only a Garmin-Jbird Vista problem. This is the mode that allows pass-through of sound (in other words, the mode you should use while training outdoors). I also havent killed the headphones either. I dont know if perhaps the FR945 LTE is on different firmware for BT audio, or the Vista 2 has different somethings, or what. With my FR945. You can see the problem discussed under the links below. Then hit up Wiggle at the link below! Thats an area that Jaybird has had challenges in the past. Buds Battery claim is 8 hours for regular mode, or 6 hours with noise cancellation modes (from 6 hours regular mode on Vista 1) Thus as soon as you start moving, the wind comes back into your head. Or again, you can create your own. (not to mention the fact that the lithium ion rechargeable batteries degrade and youll get less than a long bike ride of listening time by then).
Back in the old days, if you had an in-warranty problem, it was easy to get a replacement pair of headphones, but not so, anymore. At times, scary good.
Its a massive selling point for iOS users, who realistically make up the majority of this particular market (and we all know Apple will undoubtedly launch Find My via UWB baked into the next iteration of AirPod Pro or PowerBeats Pro). After a while I started experiencing problems. I have ordered a pair of these one week ago on the website of Jaybird. Today Jaybird announced their new Vista 2 earbuds, which add a host of new features, including many aimed at the endurance sports crowd. From increased waterproofing and even military-spec resistance levels, to SurroundSense noise pass-through, better wind cancellation, rapid charging, and more. 1. You can read the very long spec document here, if youre into that kind of thing (it covers a massive number of areas, such as freezing, thawing, acceleration, immersion, sand, dust, salt fog, fungus, humidity, impacts, ballistic shock, and more). Im not sure that this solved the issue, but you could try. No problem, here's the platform I use - you can too! Now i can run Without dropouts. Thanks for the input.
While Ive been trying many different modes over the last week, I spent half my bike commute this morning trying every possible option for ANC & SurroundSense to see if any were viable, and simply put none were.
Plus, I do appreciate the battery times, small size of the case (so much better than my Beats PowerBeat Pro), and the fact that the buds correctly settle in the case properly when I close it (again, something my Beats PowerBeat Pro doesnt always do). Thanks for the review!
And thus, theyre looking for durable buds that stand up to lots of sweat/etc. I will be surprised if it is the only country in the world where it is not allowed as you potentially loose awarness of the surrounding traffic. These were supposedly delivered to my front door the next day by UPS. I feel like the use case here isnt insane. Notify me of followup comments via e-mail. The case can be wirelessly charged using any Qi wireless charger. This would work, assuming the workout portion isnt moving (if you want the newer feature). (: Hi Ray, how do you find it handles the wind of the fan on the turbo? While there were slight differences between the three levels, it was simply degrees of suck. Lack of multipoint is pretty normal with true wireless earbuds but it is a step backwards from a few years ago. Now, when I turn those features off (and thus, turn it into a Vista 1), then its great. Im from out of the country and will be visiting the US, whats the best triathlon shop in city XYZ? It appears to check/record the location every 20 seconds, which means at walking/running speeds itll plot a location frequently enough to find it with Bluetooth pretty easily if you go back.
Basically, that was Garmins 2nd music watch at the time, and they were still sorta learning things. But what you are essentially saying is if you are deaf you cant ride a bike. I find that earbuds in general fit great for general usage, and even cycling, but once I start running and work up a sweat, I cant seem to keep anything in my ear. They use micro-USB on their Edge units. Ive had the same issue for the past 6 months or so. The app is free, and easy to install: Within the settings, one of the new features is the Find my Case option. And by moving, I mean anything at running or riding pace.
This is pretty similar with most recent Garmin watches (compared to the first few models of watches where they added music connectivity). 1. I bought my most recent pair new from Amazon and they died suddenly with the green led of death after less than 4 months and customer service was unwilling to replace or repair because I hadnt purchased from the correct authorized Amazon seller.
No cost to you, easy as pie! Thats great if youre on an airplane (or, live below a flight path like me), or if youre at the gym and want to ignore the world. But for a Zwift scenario, these would work well. I havent checked with Garmin on their music plans. Ray thank you so much for taking the time to reply. Thanks DCR for the review. Where was someone recommending Jaybird products for Fenix 6 users? Maybe my ears expand a bit. Anyway, just a few thoughts/experiences to share with your readers as they make their own headphone decisions. Also, I cant quite understand the draw for in-ear wireless headphones. Thanks for reading! The touch and swipe controls are particularly easy to use while cycling.
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