I finally got escalated to a VP and got some answers, which seemed legit. I emailed Oneida Air Systems, too. I finally got smart and got an Oneida 3 HP V-system 3000 with the HEPA filter.

We have created these special content collections organized to give you a deep dive into a range of topics that matter. You should also consider an overhead HEPA air cleaner that turns your shop air 6 or 7 times and hour. Rob. I worked for years with a small jet dust collector that had 2 cloth bags and was run through a Lee Valley cyclone top over a garbage can. If you call the company they'll sell you what you need, online you can only get sets, and you'll need an odd mix. I have a bag steel city unit I got on sale and a dust deputy on a 55 gal drum. If you are a carver or want Intarsia, fretwork, intricate design cutting and more!

All of them were slow or inconsistent to respond, which I found frustrating but I imagine I was a very small order compared to what they normally get. Not sure what is what here or if theres a big difference. Thanks. Please submit links to how-to pages and videos, pictures of beautiful and amazing pieces you made for us to admire, or help you finish. OF1010 EQ Router | MFT/3 | DF500Q | Mafell P1CC | ETS EC 150/3 | CT 36 Auto Clean | TSC55 | LR32 | OF1400 EQ Router | ZOBO Metric Set | CXS Li 2.6 - 90 Limited Edition | Universal Cleaning Set | HKC55 | Centrotec CE-SORT | RO150 FEQ | DTS 400 | RO90 DX | CTSYS | C18 Drill | SysLite KALII | Syslite STL 450 | RAS 115 E | OF2200 EB | OSC 18 Vectoro | VAC SYS SYSTEM S ET | MX 1200 E MIXER | DF700 XL | PDC 18 | TID 18 | ConuoroKA 65 | Kapex KS120 REB | MFK700| RTSC 400 | LS 130 EQ, Festool: 2x MFT/3 // OF-1400 // MFS-400 & 700 // RO-90 // SYS-ROLL // VAC-SYS SET SE1 // CT-ASA CT 26/36/SB // KS 120 EB & UG-L & R // VECTURO OS 400 EQ-Set // DSG-AG 125 // DSC-AG 125 // DSC-AG 125 FH // HK 85 EB // HK 55 EB. I know little to nothing about Clearvue but I have owned an Oneida Cyclone for twenty years. As for the 16 impellerthis thing moves an absolutely incredible amount of air. Its CFM has been outstanding and it is quiet (ridgid shopvac is much louder). Al, in the first paragraph of mine that you quoted, there is a typo. Then I upgraded to an 8 inch jointer, 15 inch planer and added a second bandsaw (18 inch Laguna) and a dust deputy with small fiber drum at the planer and jointer. :) I started with a hose that I moved around with DC then parked DC under stair landing and drug hose around. Any thoughts of building a bigger shop? The motor on the Tempest has specs and a diagram to go from 220 to 110V. It will handle 4 inch ports as well as 1.5 inch ports. If you wait Grizzly sends out 10% off occassionally, but the vendor matched/beat that deal for me. I can live with a shop vac that is that loud but (thats what my current shop vac measures, 74 db) but it begins to annoy me shortly after I turn off the saw if I leave it on. I don t have any complaints about the CV and haven t had any problems with it. The ductwork is easy to run and again, more efficient than hose. Since my shop is a freestanding building out in the country, it bothers no one but mebut I shudder to think what that would be like in the house with an attached shop. Start your 14-day FREE trial - and get building. For a while. Good Luck The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo, 1) CV1800 + filter @ $1595 + $250 for electrical box, VerticalScope Inc., 111 Peter Street, Suite 600, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada. It was ok. back to Safety in the Woodworking Shop forum, Topic tags/keywords: I realized I have an unused 220V circuit leftover from an oven we took out. LJ will not be held liable for the actions of any user. My experience of collecting dust in a small size space (the floor area would be similar) has been that you can get really good suction with a 1.5HP single-stage dust collector, 4 inch pipe and blast gates.

With this setup it is quick and simple to move the hose to each machine, even when using multiple machines in succession. I was thinking the same way about dust collection when I built my 20' by 24' shop and bought a Grisley "portable 2 stage dust collector. . So, if you vent outside you really have to worry about separationonly getting sufficient airflow to capture the fine dust. I built a double wall closet to house mine in and that makes it pretty quiet. I paid 750 for it, and was very happy to. I'm in a small basement shop: Stationary 1.5hp DC mounted high in the corner with a cyclone below. I think you're comparing a bit of apples to oranges here. Im leaning towards the flexibility of using Norfab or equivalent QF piping as I seem to move things around.I currently have a router, table saw, bench top planer, and miter saw (with out a permanent station). That from a descendant of Scottish ancestors who made the Indian ride the buffalo on nickels. I ran a single 5" trunk along the ceiling with 2 drops and allowance for a future third drop. It almost drove me crazy and out of the shop for good. :). For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Advice? If it was all overhead ductwork with dedicated connections that might be different. This isnt ideal but I live in California and the warm or hot days far out number the cold days, so venting air outside isnt ideal at times but it is probably not an issue and it could be helpful in the summer. My Ridgid shop vac is fitted with a Dust Deputy, and lives next to and connected to my chopsaw via an expandable 2" hose, and is then also available to service smaller tools like RO sander, disc/belt sander, Kreg pocket jig, oscillating sander, and of course to do normal shop vac cleanup duty. Next I assembled 4 inch sewer pipe duct along the base of 3 walls with gates for the big machines and a port for smaller stuff. My concern with Oneida products is that they minimize their filter area; I wonder how this affects the airflow with use eg. Id rather go to big than have to regret not having enough power, and Id love to have the upgraded Steel cyclone but Im having a hard time justifying the $1000 increase in cost. I have a multistage filter on the ceiling for ambient, but I don't use it as much as I should. Good building to you in your new shop. I don't have time to fiddle with hoses. Previously had a Jet DC650 I bought in 2000. When I bought the Jet I switched to the Dust Right flex hose and quick change couplers from Rockler. I opened and closed gates for each tool. Become an UNLIMITED member and get it all: searchable online archive of every issue, how-to videos, Complete Illustrated Guide to Woodworking digital series, print magazine, e-newsletter, and more. Its not far from the shop. Therefore you will likely need to do some electrical work whichever voltage you choose so, in my opinion, you might as well install a 220 volt 20 amp circuit in your shop. Wood, your hand tools, you and a little know-how. Ive also heard about the Oneida having less effective dust separation with their cyclone design. Even the air/dust separation was comparable in my tests, and I figured that CV would have some advantage there. Spent a lot of money on plastic gates and fittings and have parts to spare. My longest run is about 20 feet as the hose lays.

You need to re think portable. The content contained on this site is provided for informational purposes only and does not constitute professional advice. The initial cost hurt bad but it pays for itself every time I move a machine or reconfigure my shop for a new tool and can quickly change up the piping. What's you favorite honing guide, that precisely and repeatably hones square? For me, this dust collector right now will only be for my Sawstop table saw, miter saw, and eventually a Hammer A3-41 jointer/planer.

Thanks again to all. dust collection.

It is by far the best shop purchase I have made. Im not sure that there is any reason to buy the new metal version; Im sucking up wood chips not rocks. Thanks for all the valuable insights everyone! Share your "joinery" discussion here. It's really the best shop machine investment I every made. the V3000 has a 95sqft filter vs the CV which has 300sqft.

If you are selling your work, then you have entered a woodworking dimension with added complexity and stress. I vent outside, and some times would like to have a CV max, like when I am sanding. The Oneida outperforms the CV on my longest duct runs, but just slightly. That becomes more important if you use a drum sander a lot. I dont currently have a 220V circuit in the shop. Im not going to bash Oneida but Im not going to give them a plug here either. Particularly in a small cramped shop. I can do a review in a few months if theres interest, but just a highlight. It does require more effort than the Oneida for setup and more attention to detail, but once it was set up, its been great. I wish I would have done it sooner. -- Paul Mayer, http://youtube.com/c/toolmetrix. If you have the money, consider the Supercell. If I had not been so frugal in the beginning, I think all the stuff I've bought previously would have paid for the best. Either one is going to set me back about $2700, so I gotta get it right. Looking for help with Are you unsure of which tools, or hardware, you need, or which brands to buy? I suspect the 3 HP model with the less restrictive cyclone design would move more than enough air, plus venting outside also removes any restriction the filter might have; providing even more air flow. Update. I've learned to avoid the hose across my path and can disconnect and move it when needed. well, i guess i bought myself a nice b-day present Congrats Al, there is no doubt in my mind you will be happy with your purchase. The system has some serious suck (note that this is my first DC system though). The Clearvue has a 5hp motor vs the 3hp on the Oneida, and a substantially larger filter, so its going to be pulling alot more air. This regards the quality of the equipment, tech support of the equipment and any needed repairs, sales and service of ductwork and other accessories as well as help with two major and two minor shop redesigns along the way. The hoses are all either against a wall or between the machines and the DC in a way I dont really ever trip over them. I used my iPhone with a free app to measure the db. I really don't think I can go wrong with either option. Questions and answers about CNC machines, tooling, best practices, and projects. In either case contact the companies and ask for the local vendor who can give you a quote. Manage Consent. Plus tips, advice, and special offers from Fine Woodworking. Click for full details. Same thing happened when I connected the 4 port on my router table. Good luck. Then a Fein that I can roll around, but usually hooked up to the Bandsaw with a remote. I have a Grizzly 1hp portable collector stowed under my cabinet saw extension table (they also have a wall mounted version), fitted with Rockler's 4" expandable hose---the 4ft length expands to 28ft---and the quick change tool port handle. That will help keep any escaped dust out of your lungs. Latest Projects | BTW, Grizzly seemed to have copied most of Pentz's design with their DC's, at least on a few of the models. | Copyright I looked at Cyclones but for the length of the hose it seemed excessive. It should read "So, if you vent outside you really. The supercell is better for tools with small dust ports, the clear Vue is better for the large tools with big or multiple dust ports. Two things I should add.One I bought an Onieda Dust Gorilla Pro. So keep thinking this through. Oneida is metal, made in USA. Share your tips and challenges Before you pick up those woodworking tools, take the time to ensure your safety in the shop! This is a one-person shop, 20x30 ft, and the main tools are (1) table saw, (2) radial arm saw, (3) chop saw, (4) Dewalt 12" planer, (5) shaper, and (6-10) various hand-held power tools - all to be used one-at-a-time, and all have dust ports that are 4" or less. I spend a lot time moving hoses around but it's the best setup I could manage given the space. I have had zero issues with my 3 hp Oneida over the past 13 years I have owned it. The objective evidence that it works well for me is that the particle count in my shop stays less than 200 when Im out there for an afternoon and running tools. It still works, but the new Vortex is just a huge improvement. Basement shop. Im thinking of building a small external structure (against the side of the garage) to house the DC system and simply vent externally. Lagune CFlex. They are high quality, and have excellent customer service. Hello out there. Im satisfied over all with the ducting but it was not cheap and I was a bit disappointed in some aspects. No difference. Dont really want to run a bunch of stationary ductwork so thinking portable.thanks in advance for any advice/ideas. It will work fine. But my shop is also 1500 sf. You can make the change. Ive had very good experiences with the Oneida staff as well.

My guess is that all the vendors will give you a 10% discount if you pressure them, some will just do it right off the bat (I had one out of 3 that I contacted give me the 10% off with the initial quote with out asking). If you have the budget, I recommend the Oneida Supercell. /r/woodworking is your home on reddit for furniture, toys, tools, wood, glue, and anything else that has to do with woodworking as a hobby or profession. I have a similar size shop.

Ive seen and read some negative things about both but more concerning reviews with ClearVue. Im new to this world but looking to get a Clearvue 1800 and itll be set-up for a little less than a year before moving to a new home. I have it tucked against a wall behind /around my jointer. The Jet has two 4 outlets (or one 6 if you take the 4 outlets off). More air is certainly going to make it louder. My experiences with them over the years has been nothing short of exemplary. So, will the 2.5/3 HP models do as well.probably, but there are so many factors involved it's hard to say. The objective evidence that it works well for me is that the particle count in my shop stays less than 200 when I m out there for an afternoon and running tools. The overhead pipe might have been nice, but a had to go around a triple laminated beam which would have added four 45 degree els to the pipe and been a pain to plumb on a 9 ft ceiling. jfska has the right of it, I think. I started building sewer pipe overhead run then decided to abandon the idea and use a sewer pipe run behind a bench on one wall and run a 4 inch flex hose across a 42 inch path to my table saw. They were always nice to talk to but from what I can tell the first level staff sales and tech support know very little. Anyone have experience with this? My jointer, planer, bandsaw, cabinet saw and router table are all fitted with Rockler's 4" tool port adaptors. Great company! Even sucking straight from the 18 inch bandsaw to the DC through 20 + ft of pipe and hose suffered and left dust.

You will need to move the hose from machine to machine. They are portable, fairly quiet, have large steel impellers, built in cyclone, remote control and, since you are not limited to a budget, the auto clean option is a nice thing to have.

You will not have to out source anything. I think the quality between the two companies is very similar. That said CV claims that CV1800 is 79 DB now, so I wonder if that was a change recently to the system. Ive also run some 2.5 ducting in and put my shop vac in the external room as well.

Let me clarify, when I say an annex room I really mean a room external to the garage. Theres good information there and Im basing much of my decisions on that information. After that while, the blast gates get jammed with dust so don't close, the joints in the pipe work loose (unless you seal them permanently, then you can't clear blockages) and the cheap bag on the DC just discharges fine dust into the air. Is it OK to copy projects from the magazine?

Interested in my woodworking, workshop and whatnot? A quality cyclone will take up less space as it can be hung on a wall. With just a 4 port open it is pushing 76+ db. As for how loud they are, the installation (mine is in a corner which gives me maximum sound reflection; and my sound meter is a $20 Amazon job. https://www.oneida-air.com/dust-collectors/supercell-high-pressure-wall-mounted-hepa-cyclone-dust-collector-230v. Its a 1.5hp model and runs off 110 with a dedicated breaker. Press J to jump to the feed. ), Less initial assembly effort (I don't really care about this factor), Smaller diameter (4"), more flexible, and much less expensive ducting (this is probably the biggest factor for Oneida). Duct work with self clearing, shop made blast gates. Laguna is a great option but forget about the portability. Both brands are compatible with each other. That blowby is all the very finest of the dust particles, meaning you get to clean the filter more often. I cant attest to the accuracy here but it gives me some point of reference at least. Now I'm going to pay for it and try to sell off what I can at a big discount. So I think it was worth the effort to put the unit out in a external room for not only the sound but also it provides me more room in the shop. It's all hooked up with overhead ductwork and blast gates. Only reason Id not put the whole collector outside is I heat the shop and it would cost a fortune to dump all that hot air outside. My lungs are so much better off and no more moving hoses around and connecting different machines before I use them. That machine makes working in the shop easy and much safer. I still have the same 1.5 horse dust collector but it is now combined with permanent over-head duct work. With that number of machines you wont have much space left to work in! http://www.stumpynubs.com/dust.html. Finally I started building an overhead, straight to only the table saw, jointer and planer duct system and decided it was time to upgrade the dc. Also, not sure how much this impacts the noise, but I do use 6 PVC ducts. I should add, I regularly get bashed for peeing on the Oneida name, so I'll add that all of this is just my opinion. Im not entirely sure it was worth it yet to be perfectly honest.

Also you can download the price list off Nordfab which is exactly what I was quoted (with out the 10% off) if you want to price it all out on your own. I ve had a CV1800 for 7 years. I ended up with an Onieda system and purchased QF pipe as well. 2022 Verticalscope Inc. All Rights Reserved. Plus a 4 diameter blue hose is hard to miss. Start your 14-day FREE trial - and get building! UNLIMITED membership - Get access to it all. Thanks everyonei really appreciate your insights. I don't want a mobile collector because I don't have the room to move it. The motor label says it will draw 26 amps if you convert it to 110 volts.

They called me 2 days later and spent a lot of time educating me and understanding my needs and recommended a Supercell.

Lastly, about the metal CVhad that one been available when i bought mine, I would have got it. I've been where you are for 10 years and am still changing things to find the perfect solution other than going from 400 Sq ft to an addition. Both systems look good but which one is better? I would try to connect as many of the machines to dust collection as you can manage since moving suction hoses around as you change machines is a pain. This forum is for all the woodturners out there. 2022 The Taunton Press, Inc. All rights reserved. Moving the dust collector would be a pain but I have a 20 ft hose that I just run along the floor to my tools. a challenge, perhaps? I went with a Laguna C flux. Im not sure this is a great idea but Im wondering if it is an option. The finish, whether paint, wax, stain, or something else, can make or break a project. If I did, I'd just stick with what I have. I cannot recall the model number exactly. In-depth articles, up-close photography, and detailed illustrations, getting back into woodworking after a 15 year hiatus (retiring). Nice duct work! I wish I could vent outside, it would solve all of my current complaints with my Oneida. Clearvue is relatively high air volume at low static pressure. Clearvue is heavy clear plastic and MDF made in USA, but enjoys the advantage of Bill Pentz cyclone design. | Do Not Sell My Data Started with it in a 2 car garage and now use it in a 1000sqft shop. Latest Forum Topics. My jet didn't do so well with tools with small ports so I bought 4 dust collector vacuums and located them next to tools that needed them. The CFM at the end of my longest runs (50ft) averages just over 500, which I think is pretty good for the static pressure in the long runs. For me, 7 years of use and the cyclone unit shows no wear. Wen filter overhead.

Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. My 5 year old Oneida (which is now a 5HP, though it was born as a 2HP) separates to factory specs (99%, actually mine gets 98.4% by volume the one time I measured it) but in my criteria that's not good enough. Ive had a CV1800 and currently have an Oneida DG 5 HP. Wasn't able to get DC to the tablesaw and so I clean it out regularly. I looked at a 3 hp Laguna C series which is nice. Oneida seems to be relatively low air volume at high static pressure. Much higher airflow - seems more likely to collect dust that doesn't behave and go into a dustport, Cool factor - see the dust swirl around and down a clear plastic cyclone, Generic filters (Supercell filter appears to be custom-made and proprietary, no telling how hard it will be to replace in time), This is a reminder to those commenting on this post (not the person that posted it): Comments not related to woodworking will be removed. Who makes a better dust collection systemthe Oneida 5HP or the Clearvue 5HP? Maybe a couple of travel trailers with slide outs cobbled together. Your use of any material contained on this website is entirely at your own risk. You will get better dust collection overall using the clear Vue with a 6in main trunk and multiple ports on a single tool like a 4 inch pipe going into the base of a router and a 2 inch pipe also pulling near the fence, a band saw with a 4 inch pipe pulling from the bottom wheel and a 2 inch pipe pulling near the table, table saw pulling from the dust port underneath and an overarm, having a miter saw in a shroud with a 6in pipe going to it etc.



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